In episode 11 of the TPN Roundtable, I join Todd Cochrane of Geek News Central to talk about topics in podcasting. This month, I talk about ID3 tagging and show you a couple programs you can use to help the process. Todd talks about different options for live streaming, including an update of the Livestream Broadcaster and overview of the Playbackpro and Amazon Flash Media Encoder.
Here is a full transcript of the show:
Todd: Good morning, everyone! Welcome to the Tech Podcast roundtable. My name is Todd Cochrane and we’re up in a GoToMeeting session. And actually, I think I can do this, bring Jeffrey up, I don’t think until later. You, guys, won’t be able to see us on our webcams because we’re screen capturing the second monitor this morning. But the roundtable is up and Jeffrey and I have been doing this year on a periodic basis and talking about really different topics.
Jeffrey, good morning! How are you?
Jeff: Ah, extremely busy!
Todd: We’re going to get in the content, but definitely check Jeffrey‘s site over to geekazine.com. Of course, you can check me out at Geek News Central. And of course I will be available to a couple of shows a week and so definitely check reading up with what’s going on down there. But if you want to check out all the past editions of the Tech Podcast roundtable, all you got to do is go to the blog, to techpodcast.com. And this is number eleven for the year, so we’ve done pretty good this year on getting shows out.
So we do want to mention, this show, this episode is sponsored in part, or sponsored by the folks over at GoToMeeting. And I tell you, they packed a great product here. We’ve been using GoToMeeting for a number of years now to do these roundtables. And I think you see it through the, really how powerful this application really is. You know, Jeffrey, I know you use it on a regular basis.
But on the summer months, it is always easy to get hooked up with folks, you know, just because they’re busy. And so sometimes, they can just do a GoToMeeting session with them and take me almost anywhere, take me on the iPad, or use an Android, to actually participate in an online meeting. And what’s cool is you can use the web camera on your iPad to see the folks just like Jeffrey and I are seeing each other right now on our desktop, so it works out really well. So you can enjoy it from your iPad. Or if you’re hosting a meeting like I am right now, anyway you can jump in. It’s pretty cool, what Jeffrey and I use to GoToMeeting from time to time. What are some of the features you like?
Jeff: Many features. The bigger one is when you’re sitting there, talking to somebody face-to-face, they’re looking at your screen and you can turn around and show your clients or colleagues what you’re talking about on the screen by using some of the applications, the drawing tools, point an arrow at them and everything like that. It’s pretty nice.
Todd: And I think, too, with the face-to-face thing, you feel instantly connected. I know, one time, I was in a meeting and one of my colleagues was doing some power. I call them touch-and-go’s really goes, just about really go to sleep.
Anyway, I was a little bit bored in the presentation and so I had to pick up the energy a little bit to get things going, knowing as losing somebody. So you can tell, as you being the presenter, when you’re maybe not doing this as a great a job as you should be.
But as a listener of this roundtable, you can try it free for thirty days. So all you got to do is just go over to gotomeeting.com, cross about the screen up there right now. Go over to gotomeeting.com, click on the ‘try it free’ button, and use that promo code podcast. Again, be sure to use the promo code podcast. That’s going to give you that thirty-day free trial. And of course GoToMeeting by [0:03:52]. And it just takes a webcam to click and clear a bit and group each of the video.
ID3 Tagging for a Podcast
So I’ve got a number of things I’m going to talk about today. I guess I’ll go over my topics that I’m going to talk about. I’m going to be talking about the Livestream promo or update. I’m going to talk about a tool called ‘Playback Pro’. I’ll talk about some challenges I’ve had with Flash Media Live Encoder 3.2. And I want to talk a little bit about this new Ultra Studio that’s coming out. Actually, I don’t want to talk about the Ultra Studio. I want to talk the Ultra Studio, they call it the Ultra Studio 3D. So we’ll talk about that here in a little bit.
But Jeffrey, I know you got some stuff you want to talk about on ID3 tags. And what prompted this topic today?
Jeff: Well, what prompted this topic was the fact that I launched a brand new website called ‘How to Record Podcasts’ over at howtorecordpodcasts.com. And I’ve been putting together topic after topic after topic. And you know, with the roundtable being more towards podcasting, I wanted to make sure that we had a topic that was pretty decent to that. Plus I have kind of slacked on my own ID3 tags, so I was just looking at software that could do that.
Jeff: Okay, well first of all, I just wanted to show you the website. The new website is called ‘How to Record Podcasts’, everything that you need to know about recording a podcast. I know you’ve been up on the site a couple of times, Todd. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Todd: No, you’re doing a great job with this.
Jeff: Thank you very, very much. So yeah, and of course we’ll throw up the roundtable up here as well if you want to get the audio over here, or video over here, and go from here. The one thing that I, like I’ve said, I’ve been kind of slacking. I use a Sony S to record my podcasts and touch the screen to audio version, and then I use Sony Vegas to do a video. And I really haven’t played with the ID3 tags. You know, it just seems to be an extra step to do that. But a lot of you know, there are people that believe that by putting a picture in there, by filling out all the ID3 tag information, that you can get more listeners to your show because you’re more easily searchable or catalogable, and go from there.
So I just thought I’d retouch on this ID3 tag issue again. Because like I said, for some podcasters, it takes an extra step. For others, they have the right software that just seems to write the right ID3 tags in there when they do the editing, and go from there. But you know, most of your major shows have the ID3 tags. Todd, when you do your audio, do you automatically put in your ID3 tags, or is that how it happen?
Todd: I do. And I put it in my video too, and that’s a little different. But yeah, I do.
Jeff: Exactly. So I’m going to show you a couple of programs here, and how they work, and go from there. The first one is a program called ‘ID3 Editor’. And basically, what this is, it’s by PA software. It’s a piece of software that you download up files into, and see your ID3 tracks here. I’ll show you an example. I’m going to go to my folder. This is my Day in Tech History show for the month of June. So every single episode for June— I got the wrong folder up here. Let me call up this folder; that works a little lot better.
So as you can see, I have ID3 information for 6/01, 6/12, 6/29. We get it done to the 30th of the month. I don’t have any tag information in there. As you can see, it’s completely blank where the other parts have not only— we’ll expand that a little bit. It has the art with my name, the www.dayintechhistory.com. It’s a vocal genre, the length, the year, the track number, which I usually just save 6/29 per month in there, and then the bit rate, and all that other good stuffs.
But like I said, if you go over today at 6/30, you get nothing. Look at that— no length, they got the size, you got no bit rate, you got nothing. That’s absolutely blank. So what you want to do is you want to fill it with some of the basic, some of the ID3 tags. So what you would do is you would use a program like ID3 Editor. And let me call this up here. With ID3 Editor, you can then pull in all the information like a picture, put in your title, your artist. So what we’re going to do is we’re going to open it up and we’re going to open up the 30th. And that’s going to open up in here. And this is all the information I’ve actually written in. So you do not see this in 6/30, but we’ll be putting it in one by one.
So basically, what you have is you have your photo over here, which we basically add. You find your photo in your library and hit open, and there it is. You can actually, the ID3 pictures, you can actually stack image upon image. So make sure that you remove all the other images before you add another one. Otherwise, your file size is going to be a little bit bigger. And yes, when you add more information to your ID3 tag, you will add size to your audio or video podcast.
Alright, so basically, here’s what we’ve got. We’ve got the ID3 V2 standard. We were enabling the tag each track. And I think I have all of June in here. Let me close this out and let me open this. So it has only the 30th in here. And then I’ll throw in the information from the 30th as you can see, completely blank.
Todd: Some of those—
Jeff: So what I want to do is I want to add a title to it, ‘A Day in Tech History’. And we won’t go through the whole thing on how you add text because you know how to add all that stuff in there. So ‘A Day in Tech History’, artist, you just simply fill out the form, Jeffrey Powers, year 2012, and URL www.dayintechhistory.com. Do you have any idea—
Todd: Jeffrey, doesn’t this application also let you to auto-fill? Some stuff, whether you have some standard stuff and you can pre-populate?
Jeff: Yes, you can actually load in. If you go to ‘file’, you can create your tag and then you can save your tag data, or you can load tag data there.
Todd: Got you.
Jeff: And then of course, you can load up all, like I could’ve loaded up the other one and then save that, and then load a tag information in here. So yes, you can be automated in that sense, and go from there.
Todd: Save you all the time.
Jeff: The only thing is you have V1 tag, you have V2 tags. You can go in. You can check out all the options. There’s a ton of options here. I’m going to show you a couple other things here. As we saw the main V2 standard, we can also set up the V1 standard which is very, very basic. In the V2 standard, we have so many more tags.
For instance, if we’re doing music, we could put all the music information. We could put lyrics in here, and so on and so forth. So if you’re doing a music podcast and you want to put in the lyrics of the band’s information in there, you could just populate it. I remember, I used to do before I did Geekazine weekly podcasts, I did a show called— I can’t remember the name of the show anymore. Well basically, it’s a music podcast. I did a weekly music podcast. And I would enter in the ID3 tags and I would put all the lyrics into the ID3 tags. And I put in all the artists and stuff like that in here. So if you’re doing music podcasts, this is a great way to populate that information. And that’s also searchable item right there.
Now here’s the third one. And this is for podcasting, of course. It’s the podcast tag. You check on this. You can put in your identifier. Like for instance, where the MP3 file will be located, the feed where your show is. So if I go to my show, which I think I have right here, there we go, Day in Tech History. I’ll copy the link address and I’ll go over to the feed. And I’ll just put that right in there. So now my feed is going to be in the tag. And then of course, the description: Tech History for June 30th.
And then with the image, like I said, you just hit ‘add’. You go over to wherever your pictures are. And I believe it’s right there, there we go. And you can add in your picture. And once that’s all done, you put all your information in all these boxes that you like. Like we talked about before, you can save that tag data so you can use it multiple times. All you have to do is set that update button. And next thing you know, your file has information in it. And that it’s missing a couple of pieces but that’s okay.
As you can see now, there’s a picture down here. And of course, you can see the length when we expand that a little bit. We can see the length, that’s just nine minutes, forty-one seconds, 2012, Day in Tech History, bit rate of a hundred twenty-eight kilobits per second. And you’re good to go out from there. Even when you open up something like media player, it’s going to show up right there. You’ll have your image instead of just a generic image for the podcast. So it’s pretty cool. It works pretty well. This one’s called ID3 Editor from PA software.
There is another piece of software I will show you because this is only Mac and PC, and it only works for MP3s. Let’s say you wanted to actually add MP4s and go from there. That’s where this program comes in. This is called EasyTAG. And in order to install EasyTAG, you have to install the Gimp software. So there’s two parts to the install. But once you do that, you can then turn around and actually import your MP3 files. You can import your MP4 files. You can put in all the ID3 tag information. Some people are on the fence on whether they should do ID3 in video or not. But as a lot of people do it, so it might be an extra step. But in some cases, it’s a really well-worth step.
Anyway, these are two programs that you can get right now for tagging MP3s, ID3 Editor and EasyTAG.
Todd: Jeffrey, what I use, I used to use iTunes now. That’s pretty much what I use and you load it. You load the media in iTunes and you do get info on iTunes. And you’re able to edit as well. Now, it’s just that if people don’t want to spend the money for the software, they can do it with iTunes.
Jeff: That’s true. Well, both of these options are also free.
Todd: Oh, that’s cool.
Jeff: So it’s that there is no cost on that. Yeah, you’re right. If you go on iTunes, let’s grab, like I have my video here you can go get info. And there we go. And of course, it shows all that stuff. And yeah, you can enter in all the information in here, and then go from there.
Todd: One thing that you do have to be cautious about using iTunes is some of the stuff that’s written in there only is in iTunes and it doesn’t translate into the file. So I only mess with the info page and the artwork page. Everything else, if you put that data in, doesn’t actually get written as an ID3. It actually gets written into your database. And then when you upload your media, it goes nowhere, so you just use the info in that marked area only.
Jeff: Actually, it brings up another point and that is when you download the file and it calls for artwork whenever it throws it into the iTunes or anything like that. Not only will your podcast be in the iTunes directory, but the image will be in the iTunes directory. And it’ll all be associated with what that one MP3 or MP4 file.
Todd: Yep. Very cool! You know, I think a lot of people sometimes neglect this but I think it’s important. Because when you go to iTunes, and people are looking on stuff, you know, all this, it gets into a player depending on what player it gets in. Because you know, these shows are being consumed at over a hundred devices now. So you want to have as much branding and show representation, made a data built into your media as you possibly can. I’ve even heard people put some, go into the extreme level of putting, what do you call it, plain transcripts and stuff in their ID3 tags.
Now, one thing I do caution people is this one thing that we’ve learned is make sure that when you’re putting your media file in now, because Apple’s requiring such a huge, you know basically album art that you use in JPEG versus PNG. You want to keep the size down because all the ID3 stuff is loaded at the very beginning of your media. So let’s say for example, if you’re putting a big image in, when you click play, actually your media might actually be delayed being played on the website by a few seconds, has it downloading the image art. Even though it’s not processing it, it’s still part of the header information in the media file. It doesn’t affect—
Jeff: Just so you—
Todd: Go ahead.
Jeff: That does bring up a good question, maybe you can answer it. Does the image artwork have to be 1400 by 1400 in the ID3 tag or it can be 300 by 300?
Todd: You know, I’ve been, to be honest with you, I don’t have any answer on that, but I’ve been using 1400 by 1400. I feel the reason that they went to that level is when they introduced their true Apple TV, they’re going to want a high-resolution stuff. And if you have a low-resolution image in your album art and you look at a specific episode, and if you change your album art from what it normally is on your hours of speed, there could be some— basically, what it maybe have is much clarity or it may be pixilated a little bit. But it’s a good question. I may have to reach out to the Apple rep and ask.
Very cool! So is that a wrap on what you had for—
Jeff: That’s a wrap! Yeah, if you want to check out that or anything else, like I said, the new website How to Record Podcasts, and I’ll try and have a transcript of what’s up there maybe next week.
Tools to Use for Live Streaming
Todd: Alright, very cool! So let me go ahead and make myself presenter, switch back here. And let me show my screen, make sure I’m showing the right screen. Yes, right screen too. Okay, so again, definitely check out techpodcast.com, all our family saved shows are over there. We’ve got a great valley of hosts doing a variety of different type of content. Of course again, we want to take our sponsor GoToMeeting. And definitely, definitely check GoToMeeting up.
What I am going to do is make everyone an update, what I had done in the previous roundtable. It is where I talked about the Livestream, a broadcaster. And what I want to do is I want to update you on where they’re at with this. They’ve done a firmware update.
So now essentially, the made it so that number one, the biggest issue I had was that the password wasn’t be in stored when you shut off the device for your Wi-Fi settings that’s been stored. They’re now being able to tell you what it notifies you when it docks a 3G/4G modem that is not supported. So you know, I’ve got a 3G/4G card here that it doesn’t like. And it basically now lets me know if it got that card supported or not. You have a choice now to notify your followers when you start your broadcast.
But there are still some issues with the Livestream because they create a brand new page every time you start a show. So that’s a little bit of a challenge yet, but there’s a number of fixes that have been put in with this, and I think Anton [0:22:29] as well. So I have a link up on the show anytime this week, and if you picked up a Livestream broadcaster, you can find out that info.
Now, one thing I’ve been doing here, Jeffrey, is I’ve been doing some, I guess investigation. What I’m trying to do is I’m moving and consolidating gear. I’ve always run this show with a little bit too many computers here. And now that we’ve got multi-core machines that have all these extra resources, I’m able to do double up some of the things that some other machines are doing. And I’ve been looking for playback softwares, or something I can use to set up a playlist and have something that’s professional to play back basically the video portions of the show, so that I can have a machine that does really, this is kind of like a broadcast television replay system.
So I found PlaybackPro. And this application is outstanding, it has a pretty hefty price, three hundred and ninety-five dollars. But what you can do is you can bring in a variety of different video clips. You can put commercials in. Basically, you make a playlist. And you control this on, basically have it set up and this runs on Mac. And you can set the standard, either be high-def or standard definition. And it’s like a DVD or DVR but it’s software-driven. And you can set in-points, out-points. You can set [0:24:13]. It’s an awesome playback application. Now, the challenge is this is designed to be run like in the Mac Pro, where the Mac is going to be running at all times and you’re going to take that video, that it’s basically programmed out. And you’re going to send that to a switcher or to another device.
So I’ve been playing around in it with the trial version, my goal to do is to come up with a solution with this where I have one Mac Mini that basically runs the software. And then I’m just going to kind of trick the system into using same machine to do the stream. And what I’ll do is I’ll feed the video out the thunderbolt port. And then I’ll come back in on another port section. And then we’ll actually use a program like Wirecast or Median Quarter. Haven’t quite like that completely down because they need to buy a couple of pieces of hardware, but this is something I’ve been playing with.
And for focus, they have no issue running their Mac Pro and they have a video out card, like a black magic designed card or something like that. They can run this into a secondary machine. It’s really designed from a pro’s standpoint that use two computers. And my goal is to get this into a single computer solution, relatively low power consumption Mac Mini that can essentially run this. And at the same time, stream it.
Some people say, “Well, why don’t you use something like Wirecast and just up a playlist?” What I like about this PlaybackPro is it’s very robust, and it’ll intermix media. You can bring in different-sized media. You can bring something in that’s ten-minute Is, some in twenty Ps, something that is ST, it is going to scale it in a program out to really stay on the same quality that you want it to go out. So this is an application; again, three hundred and ninety-five dollars for the basic version. They do sell it so that you can move it around. You can actually use a tango from moving from a machine to a machine, or even buy a software version that locks in to a single computer. So I caution people. If they buy this, that they decide which machine this is going to be used on. As it’s a little bit of a pain to get the license where you should be going from one machine to the other, certain way you’ll have only kept to this, the show, not.
One thing I’ve been finding and I’ve been to experiment it, up to this point, I’ve been using PCs primarily as my flash media servers. Basically, I’ve been to using FMLE, it’s a great application. You can set it up. And what I do is I have this set up to push to Ustream as my secondary stream. So in my consolidation efforts, you know I’ve had a laptop really kind of sitting right next to me that has been acting as the streamer from a PC site. And then my attempts to switch to one of my existing Mac Minis as the streamer and finding that the video quality, out of the Flash Media Live Encoder 3.2, it is really not at the standard that I wanted at for going out to for a Livestream.
So I’m just kind of curious if there’s any, maybe this is a boring ask to audience whether you’re using to do your streaming to sites like you stream in Livestream. And you know, what are you using with the Mac specifically to encode your streaming media, specifically the RTMP, VP6 video format as it’s being pushed to folks like Ustream? Now, one of the solutions I’m thinking about, Jeffrey, is that black magic design has come up with a new box. And I’m not so much worried about the 3D capability on this, but what they’ve got. It’s because I’m running STI here. Maybe you are probably running HDMI so you won’t need this box. But I have, you know, 1080i HDI out as using 1080i STI out of my TriCaster.
And so I’m going to take a video out and I’m going to feed it to this black magic design ultra studio 3D. And basically, tie that to thunderbolt and bring that into the Mac Mini. Now, the question that I still have to get past, “Will Flash look like Flash Media Live Encoder recognize this box?” And I haven’t got any answer on that yet so I’m still looking this up. Now, using the assumption that they’re making it look like a camera, it shouldn’t be an issue because that’s being used with the Philo Cut and Adobe CS 5.5, you know. And so, I’m assuming that would be okay in this.
Now this box is just hitting the market. I’m not going to be doing any 3D with it, but it serves the purpose especially for those of us that are— actually, I keep clicking on the— must be because the Ultra Studio Express is not out. Because when I was clicking on this, what I’m actually buying is Ultra Studio Express. The Ultra Studio 3D is nine hundred ninety-five dollars. Ultra Studio Express is four ninety-five. And I don’t think what it is as I don’t think it’s on the street yet. So maybe black magic design is not showing the spec page for this, but they’re saying July 30th. So just a few days for delivering on this but single STIN thunderbolt HDMI in as well so you can [0:30:26] this particular card. And it’s based on the same design as Ultra Studio 3D except none of us— at least, I don’t. I don’t need any 2K or 3D features of that more expensive card or device brings to the market.
So anyway, that’s what I’m looking at from my standpoint. And my goal here is to hopefully be able to trick PlaybackPro into video out on the HDMI port on the Mac Mini. And then come back in the other side with thunderbolt and have the Flash Media Encoder detect it. Now it’s kind of a kludge that unfortunately, I’m going to have to spend close to five hundred bucks to see if it’s going to work. But with nothing else, I guess, I’ll send the application back. So have you ever heard anyone else using anything different than Flash Media Live Encoder or the Mac?
Jeff: No, not a fan.
Todd: Yeah, so I just wasn’t that, you know, I was doing some exact settings. I was basically doing some side-by-side comparison and there was a definite, definite difference. So anyway, I figured, and what I’m also been doing is I’ve been feeding FNLE on my PC, a composite video converted by a Canopus ADVC-300 to go into TV-in. So I’m just thinking maybe what it is is just the PC handles that input better than the Mac does. But for now, we’ll just stay with the PC and hopefully, we can get to a solution where number one, I have this playback solution and number two, I’m able to incorporate this Ultra Studio Express device and maybe increase the quality going into the Mac Mini. Maybe that will maybe what it takes to get it done.
So you know, lots of cool ways to slice a cat, yeah?
Jeff: Yeah, I’m impressed and now jealous that I bought the other infants to the extreme and now I wanted this one.
Todd: Yeah, well you know the Intensity Extreme works. The thing is you’ll be able to, if you’re not doing STI, now this is important. The only difference between the Intensity Extreme and the Ultra Studio Express is the STI. Now if you’re not dealing with STI, the Intensity Extreme will work just fine. My challenge is, as I’m dealing with an STI backbone, so that’s why I need the Ultra Studio Express. Otherwise, if I could just go HDMI into this, into this Intensity Extreme, it would work fine. And maybe that’s what I need to test. Maybe I need to pull my Intensity Extreme out of my little broadcast system and bring it all, and basically test with the Mac Mini and FME and see if it works. If that works, then I’ll know that this new box that’s coming out, which I will need for the STI portion, will work.
But this should still, the Intensity Extreme, for those that are doing, having HDMI backbone, those who are using prosumer cameras are or just consumer cameras, this should work fine in working with FME. But I can still test PlaybackPro, I think. Yeah, I can actually do my test with PlaybackPro with my existing Intensity Extreme, but I’m trying to include using— I’ve asked the PlaybackPro people. I said, “Why don’t you instead of making a video out, a video outsource, why don’t you do like Camtasia does and make them act like that’s an actual video source?” Because if it was, if they put the hoops in to do that, you could run this and then you could use FME. And you would just select the video source as being PlaybackPro, and it would all be internal. You’d never have to do anything, no wiring, to make it happen.
But these guys are more than market is, the Prosci, you know, the television studios. And this is what a lot of television studios use for their media playback. They can program their commercials and everything else. And if they want to do live programming switching, they can actually do that as well. But this is one of the few things I’ve found that actually will do playback at a reasonable price, even if it’s three ninety-five doesn’t seem very reasonable but something to do. You know, you’ll know my goal all along has been able to— I want a 24/7 stream and to be able to do it relatively inexpensive. I can buy this, let’s say a Mac Mini, and we can program this VNC, boy that’s big. It’s really big.
So that’s all I’ve got. You have anything, any additional commentary, Jeffrey, today?
Jeff: Not, that looks great. I mean, you’re building into so many things that a lot of podcasters and videocasters probably are not on that level yet. And even for me, it was a little hard to follow some of the acronyms that you were throwing across there. But the one thing is, you know, it’s amazing what we can do with video nowadays, with cameras that are out there that are doing two thousand, now four thousand, 4K cameras out there that are just unbelievable, unbelievable look and feel. I’m personally thinking about switching up my Canon Vixia camera for the T4i just to increase the color in a darker environment because it’s just got this broad amount of vision field. And it also now has an auto-focus on the T4i. And of course, hooking it up as a professional camera, some sort of having some big camera like that, that’s just amazing!
Todd: So what is a T4i then?
Jeff: The Canon T4i? It’s their new camera, Canon with one N.
Todd: Oh yeah. Is it a— it’s good to use them. Just usually big but a regular DSLR body.
Jeff: Yeah, it’s a DSLR but the big difference is now they’ve added or they’ve improved auto-focus on these cameras. So I can actually set it up like I would my Vixia camera and then walk and do the interview. And actually either focus in or keep a stable focus.
Todd: Does it let you do auto-focus for something moving?
Jeff: That’s my understanding.
Todd: Wow, that’s a nice improvement to it. I wonder if they’re going to do a firmware version for the other ones and hopefully they— that’s really cool.
Todd: That’s a eleven hundred dollar camera? It’s a little bit, definitely a step up in your cost but I see a lot of people shoot a lot of video now with DSLRs for sure.
Jeff: Yeah, definitely.
Wrapup of Roundtable
Todd: Okay, well, lots to think about. Okay folks, again, get over to techpodcast.com. Check out all the great shows over there. And of course, don’t forget our sponsor GoToMeeting. Give them a try. Go over to gotomeeting.com, click the ‘try it free’ button and use the promo code podcast. I want to thank them for being our sponsor here today. And of course, you can check Jeffrey out over at geekazine.com. And you probably got the link to all your new site on there as well, I assume, correct?
Jeff: Yeah, actually, I believe it’s on the bottom. But yeah, I should probably put it on the top now that you mentioned it.
Todd: And of course, you can check me out at geeknewscentral.com. And check out the show we do, Geek News Central, which is every Monday and Thursday. We do Saturday morning tech. This morning was a solo event, didn’t have any guest. Everyone was pretty busy, seeing summer that is here. We have gadget pass a row at underpants. And of course, the Chrome Show I do periodically. So definitely check out my show over at Geek News Central. But again, this has been the Tech Podcast roundtable episode number eleven for 2012. Well, thank you for your attendance. Jeffrey, thanks for being here.We’ll see you next time. Take care. And thanks for attending to Tech Podcast Network roundtable.